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	<title>Comments on: Do You Need the Dvorak Keyboard Layout</title>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.roninmarketeer.com/2008/03/15/do-you-need-the-dvorak-keyboard-layout/comment-page-1/#comment-9422</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 15:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My story is familiar, long hours, RSI, etc.

I was 80wpm sustained, 100wpm burst on qwerty. 
In a month I was ~50 on dvorak but my speed in qwerty dropped to about 50 and took a good 2-5 minutes to get back into.

It&#039;s 2 years later and my RSI went away and I can easily type in both layouts. Here are my approx speeds.

~60-80 qwerty
~60 dvorak

The speeds on each get better the more I type in one layout and get worse the longer I use the opposite one. Nowadays I am done university (writing essays and such) and haven&#039;t worked in a job with lots of typing for a couple years, so my typing skills lag behind. I have three computers set up at home right now. One uses dvorak, one is on qwerty because it was just nuke/paved and one is not mine so it&#039;s on qwerty. I switch between them almost without thinking now. I&#039;ll type the first 5 letters and it&#039;ll be jibberish so without thinking my hands backspace it and my brain switches gears.

Long story short:

- Took a month to learn
- I can interchange between layouts with no problem
- my typing speeds are slower, but I feel this is a result of a change in my lifestyle rather than because I changed layouts

On that last point. not only do I write less reports, IM among my friends has gone out of style) If I were to spend a few months with a good typing program, I feel I could bring the qwerty back to 80 and 100 burst, but the dvorak would exceed it because I make fewer errors in dvorak. My qwerty speeds have always been held back by my insanely high error rate (I&#039;ve busted for 20 seconds up to the 120/130 range in qwerty when I don&#039;t make any mistakes)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My story is familiar, long hours, RSI, etc.</p>
<p>I was 80wpm sustained, 100wpm burst on qwerty.<br />
In a month I was ~50 on dvorak but my speed in qwerty dropped to about 50 and took a good 2-5 minutes to get back into.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s 2 years later and my RSI went away and I can easily type in both layouts. Here are my approx speeds.</p>
<p>~60-80 qwerty<br />
~60 dvorak</p>
<p>The speeds on each get better the more I type in one layout and get worse the longer I use the opposite one. Nowadays I am done university (writing essays and such) and haven&#8217;t worked in a job with lots of typing for a couple years, so my typing skills lag behind. I have three computers set up at home right now. One uses dvorak, one is on qwerty because it was just nuke/paved and one is not mine so it&#8217;s on qwerty. I switch between them almost without thinking now. I&#8217;ll type the first 5 letters and it&#8217;ll be jibberish so without thinking my hands backspace it and my brain switches gears.</p>
<p>Long story short:</p>
<p>- Took a month to learn<br />
- I can interchange between layouts with no problem<br />
- my typing speeds are slower, but I feel this is a result of a change in my lifestyle rather than because I changed layouts</p>
<p>On that last point. not only do I write less reports, IM among my friends has gone out of style) If I were to spend a few months with a good typing program, I feel I could bring the qwerty back to 80 and 100 burst, but the dvorak would exceed it because I make fewer errors in dvorak. My qwerty speeds have always been held back by my insanely high error rate (I&#8217;ve busted for 20 seconds up to the 120/130 range in qwerty when I don&#8217;t make any mistakes)</p>
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		<title>By: Jordan Ambra</title>
		<link>http://www.roninmarketeer.com/2008/03/15/do-you-need-the-dvorak-keyboard-layout/comment-page-1/#comment-8882</link>
		<dc:creator>Jordan Ambra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 20:49:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I started learning dvorak back in 2002, and when I first started I thought I would never get back up to the 65-70 WPM I typed in QWERTY. I pretty much did it to type faster, and to be a bigger nerd.

So, this addresses your point #2 &quot;Difficult to learn&quot;. It took me about 3 weeks to feel solid on the keyboard, although my WPM were still around 40-45 after that. My trick was that I almost completely used Dvorak and wouldn&#039;t allow myself to use QWERTY. Also, I used IM a lot at the time, which requires you to type reasonably fast but is very forgiving of mistakes.

I surpassed my previous WPM in about 3 months, and kept getting faster. I levelled off at about 110-120 WPM after about a year, so I got about a 200% return on my 3 month investment over the last 5 years. Not too shabby, I don&#039;t think.

The main problems I&#039;ve had are typing passwords when I&#039;m on someone else&#039;s QWERTY computer, and ease of Cut/Copy/Paste/Undo, but you find ways to compensate, like with anything. Still, it&#039;s not for everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I started learning dvorak back in 2002, and when I first started I thought I would never get back up to the 65-70 WPM I typed in QWERTY. I pretty much did it to type faster, and to be a bigger nerd.</p>
<p>So, this addresses your point #2 &#8220;Difficult to learn&#8221;. It took me about 3 weeks to feel solid on the keyboard, although my WPM were still around 40-45 after that. My trick was that I almost completely used Dvorak and wouldn&#8217;t allow myself to use QWERTY. Also, I used IM a lot at the time, which requires you to type reasonably fast but is very forgiving of mistakes.</p>
<p>I surpassed my previous WPM in about 3 months, and kept getting faster. I levelled off at about 110-120 WPM after about a year, so I got about a 200% return on my 3 month investment over the last 5 years. Not too shabby, I don&#8217;t think.</p>
<p>The main problems I&#8217;ve had are typing passwords when I&#8217;m on someone else&#8217;s QWERTY computer, and ease of Cut/Copy/Paste/Undo, but you find ways to compensate, like with anything. Still, it&#8217;s not for everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Malcolm Bastien</title>
		<link>http://www.roninmarketeer.com/2008/03/15/do-you-need-the-dvorak-keyboard-layout/comment-page-1/#comment-7579</link>
		<dc:creator>Malcolm Bastien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 00:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love Dvorak layout and would never switch back.  I actually find Qwerty typing very painful and straining on my wrists now.  I can vouch for all the points you&#039;ve mentioned in this post, especially the big boost in my &quot;geek factor&quot; that I got. Watching people try to type on my laptop though for the first time never gets old.

Also, getting a Dvorak keyboard really isn&#039;t necessary, there&#039;s no real benefit to using one.  Just look for a keyboard that&#039;s ergonomic and comfortable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love Dvorak layout and would never switch back.  I actually find Qwerty typing very painful and straining on my wrists now.  I can vouch for all the points you&#8217;ve mentioned in this post, especially the big boost in my &#8220;geek factor&#8221; that I got. Watching people try to type on my laptop though for the first time never gets old.</p>
<p>Also, getting a Dvorak keyboard really isn&#8217;t necessary, there&#8217;s no real benefit to using one.  Just look for a keyboard that&#8217;s ergonomic and comfortable.</p>
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		<title>By: Danielle Buczek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danielle Buczek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 18:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, so I really have no intention to switch to the Dvorak keyboard. But I do want to say thank you for including the total dork-worthy typing test link. Depending on the selection I had 70 or 83 net wpm! Now my husband thinks I&#039;m a freak.

Seriously, though, you are right on about the business and marketing application here. I think that another way to think about it is this--it&#039;s not good enough to have a clearly superior product. You also have to factor in the amount of change required for customers to switch to your product. If I already type so quickly, why would I want to go through an agonizing period of decreased productivity?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, so I really have no intention to switch to the Dvorak keyboard. But I do want to say thank you for including the total dork-worthy typing test link. Depending on the selection I had 70 or 83 net wpm! Now my husband thinks I&#8217;m a freak.</p>
<p>Seriously, though, you are right on about the business and marketing application here. I think that another way to think about it is this&#8211;it&#8217;s not good enough to have a clearly superior product. You also have to factor in the amount of change required for customers to switch to your product. If I already type so quickly, why would I want to go through an agonizing period of decreased productivity?</p>
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		<title>By: Chip Griffin</title>
		<link>http://www.roninmarketeer.com/2008/03/15/do-you-need-the-dvorak-keyboard-layout/comment-page-1/#comment-7520</link>
		<dc:creator>Chip Griffin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 15:59:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never dressed up in costume for D&amp;D.</description>
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